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Category:Censored by lack of FOP

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I object to the name of this category. This is no more "censorship" than any other copyright law. Authors having rights is not "censorship." Jmabel ! talk 19:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:Remain at status quo. Copyright can be a form of censorship; we have an enwiki article that discusses this matter. In the context of FoP, copyright is used by the architectural and sculptural authors to suppress unrestricted distributions of the buildings and monuments they designed so that they can have the sole distribution, economic, and photographic rights over the public landmarks that they designed. On several occasions, they pass those rights to the owners or conservators of those works (like the foundation that now owns the infamous Korean War Veterans Memorial and CEVM of Millau Viaduct), and those owners or conservators are the ones responsible for the suppression of the general public's photographic reproductions. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 00:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC) [reply]

 Info related discussion: COM:Village pump#Censored by lack of FOP / blacked out relying on FOP categories JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 03:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While there are doubtless times that copyright has been used as a tool of censorship, I think it is a hell of a stretch to say that in general the limitation on reproducing copyrighted works without permission constitutes censorship. - Jmabel ! talk 04:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel a probable alternative term would be redacted. "Redact" is a synonym of censor and is tied to "delete", "erase", and "expunge". Anyway, Omphalographer used this term here. Redact seems the best term. Best category name would be "Category:Redacted versions of images relying on FoP" (and all subcategories will go to the likes of Category:Redacted versions of images relying on FoP in the Philippines, et cetera). I suggest merging/redirecting all "Blacked out images relying on FoP" to these categories, since these are essentially maintenance and advocacy categories and we should not be spending too much time overdoing the categorization by specifying what type of redact was made.
My suggested category tree formation
Merge/redirect: Category:Blacked out versions of images relying on FoP to Category:Redacted versions of images relying on FoP. Also, merge/redirect "blacked out" subcategories by country to their counterparts under "Redacted versions of images". JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 06:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly prefer the term "redacted". It has much less of a connotation of the removal being nefarious. - Jmabel ! talk 06:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Category:Redacted versions of images relying on FoP as per my suggestion which was preferred by Jmabel. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 07:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345: I don't really like the "relying on" though. Could we do Category:Images redacted because of lack of FoP? - Jmabel ! talk 17:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel seems OK too. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 22:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel as there seems no opposition, should I conduct the recategorizations by myself? JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 00:33, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let me see if we can get an uninvolved admin to close this. - Jmabel ! talk 01:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus Resolved by consensus
ActionsCategory:Censored by lack of FOP to be renamed Category:Images redacted because of lack of FoP. Merge Category:Blacked out versions of images relying on FoP into Category:Images redacted because of lack of FoP. Do the same for the subcategories that follow the old naming conventions.
Participants
Closed byReneeWrites (talk) 12:06, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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